Just because you've got a big case, that does not necessarily mean that EVERYBODY has got one too... and if they manufactured a single fan radiator, chances are that the are targeting also those who want to make a full integrated loop. As the majority of the cases I see online.salucard ha scritto:wow hadn't noticed about inner tube pipes, it's a bad idea replacing stainless steel with copper, the best after silver; it's a shame that thermalfins (or TFC) has used that material to made those beasts, it means less performances; at this point the price is also not justified...Black_Owl ha scritto:
Interesting info on these rads. I am looking to get a couple for me too... but.... but I believe they have some "no-no" points for me.
First of all, the material: stainless steel looses miserabily against copper in the battle for thermal transfer. The liquid will not be able to pass the heat through the stainless stell tube to the aluminum fins as fast as with a copper tube
Second, the weight: these are real massive radiators, with 1kg for the single fan model. Considering that usually people tend nowadays to buy models of 2-3 fans, that is some 4 kgs of radiator + liquid you need to hang on the wall of the case, via little screws. Depending on your setup, I see some pretty darn work to do to secure those rads safely. But that is only my opinion...
Third: the thickness: 105mm is way too much to make a full integrated system, I guess. I only see the chance to get these rads outside, and bring the tubing inside through wall openings or through the PCI slots in the back of the case. Some may like it, some not. It is a matter of personal choice, of course, but me myself, I prefer, in case of a normal PC, to integrate the whole bunch inside the case. Gotta see when I get my hands on one of these babies where I can put it in in my Antec 900.
Fourth: is thermalfins the real owner of the design of these rads? I have done some research, and apparently TFC has issued, and has been awarded, a patent for a similar design. I know Thermalfins and TFC were cooperating for the Admiral series of radiators, but I lost the thread when TFC stopped posting "big news" about those rads. As far as I know, they never went into production. So is Thermalfins making them with "permission" of TFC? Or is there some substantial difference between the patent filed by TFC and these rads, that did see the light?
The first three point are, of course, my personal opinions, bundymania, but knowing your contacts, I would like to get an answer from you to the fourth point, if possible. Even in PVT.
Awaiting for your repost.
Black_Owl
For dimensions IMHO there aren't any problems, becouse users that wold buy this radiator, certainly will have a big pc case, as a little devil, xigmatek elysium, xspc h2 ect.
well for me the only problem is between price and adopted materials, so thank you for enlightened my blinded sight...
Anyway, to state that performances are bad only because they use stainless steel instead of copper tubes is not entirely correct: it depends on te wall thickness, too. If they really use 0.2mm wall thickness for the inner tube, instead of a 1mm copper tube, much probably heat will be transferred from liquid to the aluminum fins faster than what we might expect.
Taking in consideration the pure cost of materials, stainless stell pipes are way cheaper than pure copper pipes. So what we are going to pay here is not for the material itself, but for the project, the development, and hopefully, the performance gap such radiators will eventually grant on top of traditional radiators.
We cannot take anything for granted until we test directly one of those rads.
Black_OWl
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cheers to you for bundymania's personalization 
